and in the first preparations at the dnc in washington, he was really soft on obama. but it turned out obama is just not the kind of guy you can walk up to and call a failure to his face. i think that holds true with every president in these practice sessions. obama particularly. >> guess who did? romney did. >> romney did. >> so check me on this. i have a sense he had never been talked to with such lack of deference for four years. then with all this phony civility talked to him like a lesser being. and that drove the president crazy. your thoughts glen then john on that. the way he disdained him in that debate. >> clain and axelrod and plouffe came up to kerry saying you got to start hitting this guy. that's what happened. and in nevada when they got to that disastrous debate prep in nevada, you know, we report that this one 30-minute session was just a shellacking in which they called him a failure repeatedly. they hoped it to waken him up, but it didn't. >> i will never forget while he was taking notes. for future debates? it drove me crazy. because the president